Sep 23, 2021 7:22 PM
So the iOS 15 changes are out in the wild and I thought it was best to start a fresh thread to give everyone a place to ask questions, help each other, and share their experiences.
Director of Product for Email
Jul 19, 2022 12:16 PM
Correct, is won't explicitly "click" the link, but as you stated, it does fire the open. Which is basically a false flag open. Apple fires the open, insert any CMS - which then registers the false open (as a legitimate open).
Yes, someone could when they actually "open" the email and perform a real click, this would be registered as an additional click. But, how do you differentiate the false click from the real one? Do you build logic that says anyone that clicks on Link A, two times is a real "click"? But, then what about those that are not on IOS and click on Link A one time, they are a real click, but won't be accounted for, in this logic.
True all clicks are not created equally, but they are all accounted for equally.
May 4, 2022 3:31 PM - edited May 4, 2022 3:32 PM
I agree! How do we reliably measure email engagement now? I am looking at restructuring my makreting / non-marketing contacts and am not sure how to account for this issue as of now. Would love some tips.
Oct 8, 2021 4:09 PM
@TCremeens the issue with a report like that is, if a user has an iPhone and Imap or POP3 their regular Gmail to the I phone mail app, that inbox will get treated as an iCloud client. So you will have skew data anyways. This is a bigger picture. Im assuming this will also play a role in the Safari browser as well.
Oct 8, 2021 2:44 PM
Someone may have already asked this, but it would seem logical if Hubspot could automatically filter post-send analytics by device type. i.e. iOS users vs not, and provided segmented analytics that way. For example, Open rate for iOS recipients may be 100% since they preload the pixel with a 3% click rate, but non-iOS devices (including computers) had a 32% open rate with a 3% click rate. That would provide a benchmark for both types of users: Trackable and untrackable.
Or give us the ability to create lists based on known device type. So we can segment our lists for iOS users vs non to better track our campaigns.
Oct 7, 2021 1:21 PM
@AMasters6 I don't think hs will be able to do anything with this. There was a tool called Netsuite Bronto that had a more granular breakdown on reporting and customer triggers with dynamic code. Makes sense why they shut down, they saw this coming and probably no way to fix it. the best way that I see this for more efficient reports is to todo a web browser tracker code. Then make a report for activity on the website. When you segment the people that got activity on-site and sent a specific email, then you would be able to get a better idea of the open rate for your campaign. It's one more extra step but this way you can correlate directly with behavior and acquisition.
Oct 7, 2021 2:25 AM
Great question @sbradthompson !
Oct 6, 2021 4:19 PM
So, if someone opens an email with the masked IP, does that affect marketers being able to track activity on your website as the email cookie is the conduit to tracking them?
Oct 6, 2021 1:40 AM
These reports are great, but we still need to be able to use this information in workflow triggers and list filters. As of now, the browser information is non-existent on the contact records.
Oct 5, 2021 2:03 AM
Tahnk you so much @MerchantCentric , this is exactly what we were looking for!
Oct 4, 2021 6:08 PM
In the Email > Performance analytics, I see that HubSpot tracks everyone's email client:
"A recipient’s email client will be included in the data below when an email is opened or a tracked link is clicked."
How about a way to attach contacts' email clients to their records, so we can separate the Apple Mail people out, just as a way to keep them out of certain reporting. I know people use more than one email client (Outlook at work, Apple Mail or Gmail app at home).... but it's just a thought.
Oct 5, 2021 1:17 PM
Support has solved this for me today!
Reports > Reports > Custom Report Builder > Choose Contacts, then under Marketing: Marketing email.
Build a pivot report with Browser Family and Browser Name (Rows), Browser Type (Columns), and Count of Opened Emails (Values). For a filter, choose whatever Event Timestamp value you like.
Oct 21, 2021 10:38 AM
ibatt, would you be able to show your report configurations? The goal is to see and export the Apple Mail users. Some of us are not experts with reporting yet.
Oct 7, 2021 7:04 AM
Thanks for this ibatt. When I try and create this report, I can't find any of the fields beginning with 'browser' in ether marketing email fields or contact fields. Am I doing something wrong?
Oct 18, 2021 9:56 AM
I had issues finding these fields as well until I manually clicked into the options. In the report builder, using Contacts and Marketing, click:
>dropdown options next to "Browse">Marketing email>Radio button: "Opened emails">scroll down to fields that have the header "Opened emails properties" and find both "browser" options
Oct 19, 2021 10:05 AM
Were you able to get email addresses out of this report? I can create a chart, then click on a number to see the emails and people who opened with that browser. Problem is that I only see the contact's name, not email.
It's like the report within the report and I'm not sure how to get what I need out of it.
Oct 19, 2021 10:30 AM
Oct 7, 2021 8:45 AM
Assuming you have the 2 data sources Contacts and Marketing: Marketing Email, just start typing "browser..." in the handy search bar in the upper left that says "Search across sources 🔍". Good luck!
Oct 5, 2021 2:49 PM
@ibatt Thanks, these detailed steps were easy for me to follow, and I can export the Apple Mail contacts for segmenting separately. Let us know if you recommend anything else.
Oct 4, 2021 11:37 AM
It would be great to be able to determine the number of contacts who use the Apple iOS email client as well so we can determine how much this will impact our database. While individual email analytics displays the percentage of opens per email client, we'd like to understand how many of our contacts use this email client.
Oct 4, 2021 7:16 PM - edited Oct 4, 2021 7:16 PM
Hi @IsabelleW, this can be done in Reports > Reports. Connect two data sources (Contacts & Marketing Emails). Then change browse to "Marketing email" and select "Open emails" under the "Marketing email events" selection. The "Opened emails properties" will have the browser identifiers you're looking for.
Oct 5, 2021 9:54 AM - edited Oct 5, 2021 9:58 AM
Okay great, I will try this out! Thanks!