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danmoyle
by: Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

Why We Need to Define Community Through Multiple Perspectives

Community. It's a powerful word. It can mean inclusion, it can be tied to businesses, it can even lead to social movements.

 

It’s also in danger of becoming lost to the jargon juggernaut that is marketing. 

 

As soon as we marketers see something working for others, we tend to hop on the bandwagon and try to copy success. It’s okay to admit it. We’re only human. 

 

Here’s the thing, though: It doesn’t have to be that way. 

 

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We need to define community through multiple perspectives because people are not one monolithic entity. This can’t be simply a “Here’s what community means and here’s how we monetize it” situation.

 

When you think of community for your brand, think of it from at least two basic perspectives: Your business and your people. Maybe even flip that and think of your people first and your business second. 

When thinking about the people, consider the communities you belong to and what makes them special. 

 

For example, I’m part of the community of Metallica fans. What makes it special is my history with their music, getting to hear different versions of live performances, getting early notifications of concerts and new albums, and connecting with other fans to hear their stories. It’s not a way for the band to simply send me coupon codes and sell me stuff (although I do buy!). But it’s a place for me to connect with others who love to headbang to new and old Metallica.

 

I’m also a member of the HubSpot Community and have been for a very long time. Why? Because I believe in the mission of HubSpot, I love the work the company does, I’ve used the tool since 2010, and now I love to help others. Again, it’s not a place where HubSpot sells me. It’s a place to “gather” and lift others up. 

 

As more businesses buy into the community movement, I’m excited to see how they serve their organic, existing communities, and how others grow strategic communities without exploiting their audience. 

The questions I’d like to ask us all are these: 

  1. What does "community" mean to you?
  2. What is your favorite community (personal or professional)?

I asked my teammates these questions, along with folks within the HubSpot Community and others on LinkedIn and Twitter. Here are a few thoughts. I’d love to know what you think, too. Leave your perspective in the comments! 

 

Dewayne Higgs: For me, a community is a group of people who meet to share in some common interest, and that common interest could really be anything.  Whether it's a hobby, an interest in a service or product, or a unifying goal, it doesn't really matter, just as long as people are willing to meet up and engage in the subject matter.

 

Communities have always played an important role in my life: matter-of-fact, I probably wouldn't be the software engineer I am today if it weren't for the opportunities afforded to me by local industry-related communities such as the (now defunct) Amarillo Tech Meetup and the Machine Learning and Big Data Meetup, which I help organize.  I might be a bit biased, but I would have to say that those two communities are my favorite.

 

Jacob Olle: Community, to me represents a group of different people who work to identify and leverage their unique strengths, lifting each other up in the process. Niche communities, like the HubSpot Community, are especially awesome because they help you find other people like you who actually understand and get excited about the same stuff that you do!

 

Anton Bujanowski: For me, a community is all about connection with people who share the same interest(s) and grow together.

As most of us, I’ve started as a complete beginner searching for help in the HubSpot community and now - 5-6 years into it - I’m able to help other people from all over the world with their questions.

 

Jennifer Nixon: I think a community creates a sense of belonging, where our similarities bring us together, but our differences help us grow and challenge each other.

 

And one like the HubSpot Community lets you use your strengths to help others while also having the opportunity to level up your own skills by learning from others, it's a win-win. 🧡 

 

Giesle Lempert: For me community is a place where people feel understood and supported. 🧡 

 

Chris Martin: Community to me, is a place where the success of the group is the ultimate aim. It's where people feel supported, valued and a part of something greater than themselves.

 

But it's also a place that cares, that helps those with less to give and enables everyone to grow together.

 

Jen Bergen: Community creates a place to be supported in work and life, to make and support friends, and to accomplish something bigger together than we could do on our own.  It is where you can feel seen and heard. In this safe space you can be more receptive to learning from other people, and more confident to share your knowledge or experience to help other people.

 

Here’s the question for you: What does “community” mean to you personally and to you as a professional (in marketing, sales, or as a business owner)? 

 

Let’s start our own community of people thinking more deeply about community right here. Drop your thoughts in a comment, converse with others, and let’s come together over this vision.

97 Comments
Jnix284
Hall of Famer

Excellent article @danmoyle , thank you for sharing this and for being such a large part of what makes this community so successful!

JenBergren
Guide

Great article @danmoyle ! Love the HubSpot Community because of people like you! 🧡

jolle
Recognized Expert | Partner
Recognized Expert | Partner

This is awesome, @danmoyle! I really like the "jargon juggernaut" (jargonaut?") point you mentioned!

 

I'm actually seeing a Metallica cover band tonight with my lifelong best friend and our dads — that's the power of community (and metal) 🤘

 

 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@jolle that's awesome! Enjoy the show. I love that the community of music, specifically Metallica, is bringing together two generations. Powerful! 

LThomas13
Contributor | Diamond Partner
Contributor | Diamond Partner

My company is a HS Diamond partner.  I shared your article with our internal HUG and challenged them to engage in a HubSpot community.  Thank you for posting this article and being an inspiration.

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danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

Thank you @LThomas13😊 Love that you're challenging folks to engage. Community really is an amazing place to bring human connection to business. Appreciate you! 

 

Gilempert
Key Advisor | Partner
Key Advisor | Partner

I love HubSpot's community!! Excellent article @danmoyle , congrats!!

SamanthaLumang
Participant | Diamond Partner
Participant | Diamond Partner

Love this blog! Personally, community is a place where I feel safe because I'm with people who aren't afraid to learn together. It's supportive, not competitive. As a marketing professional, I try to bring that safe feeling by providing opportunities for people (me included) to learn from each other and help each other grow better. Less of promoting our services right away and more of looking into pain points and seeing how we can help first in any way possible.

Jnix284
Hall of Famer

@SamanthaLumang it's really great that you are thinking about your community with a "help first" mindset, it's amazing how being helpful can really differentiate companies/brands/communities from each other.

CMorrisonWWTC
Member

Thank you for sharing this, it was very informative. To me community means helping others and sharing a common interest. Since I am not in sales and am behind the scenes in e-commerce, my community are my co-workers.

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@SamanthaLumang [standing ovation] Yes! I realy like that perspective. Thank you for sharing! @Jnix284 is 100% right on how helpful sets us apart. 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@CMorrisonWWTC such a great point on how community can differ when you're on different sides of the customer coin. Glad to have you here in this community! 

Raffy
Top Contributor | Partner
Top Contributor | Partner

From a community POV, community is an occassion, a venue where people of different approaches, backgrounds, possibly even different values engaging within community guardrails to learn about, to add value, to act together towards a common goal. 

From a business POV, a community is a channel where your ideal client hangs out 😉 When the ICPs are ready,  community is where they will look for products or services to get a job done. Ideally this will be with your help.

It is channel where content and engagement is generated more by the community members and perhaps prompted and guided by the community managers.

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@Raffy I love that! "community is occassion" is such a great one-liner!

 

bekachen
Member

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, @danmoyle! Loved hearing about your experience in a community of Metallica fans. Making that connection with others who share similar interests is really special. For me, it's the Booktok community (on TikTok). I'm an avid fantasy reader and having a dedicated space to enjoy the books with other people is amazing. I love seeing all the cosplay, conspiracy theories, skits, deep analysis, fan art, and other commentary that people are sharing. Even though I rarely comment or post my own comment, I still feel that sense of belonging and I feel like I enjoy the books even more because I'm able to experience it in a medium besides reading the actual book. I find that healthy digital communities are awesome spaces that let people express their creativity and share their connections to a specific niche with like-minded individuals. 

bekachen
Member

@SamanthaLumang - LOVE LOVE LOVE what you're saying about feeling emotionally safe in a community. To add on to this, I think communities can be so powerful because they bring people with specific interests together. I shared a bit about my personal favourite community in a comment above (BookTok haha) and for me, I find that in my personal life in the offline world, there aren't too many people who share the same reading tastes as me. To get that same level of enjoyment from a discussion around books, I'd have to be fairly open about my thoughts and such, and it feels pretty vulnerable when I'm not sure how it'll be received. But on BookTok, since people have come together over a shared interest, it feels like the initial barriers of entry don't exist and that it's a fairly safe space to be a nerdy bookworm 🤓 because that's what we're all here for! 

bekachen
Member

@Raffy - love your phrase "a community is a channel where your ideal client hangs out". As Community builders, we need to constantly look at and re-evaluate whether people like hanging out in the space we've built them. And this will look different for every demographic! 😁

Raffy
Top Contributor | Partner
Top Contributor | Partner

@bekachen where I would want to hang out is what I look for when I look for a community. 

Perhaps, even different for personas who might happen to be in the same demographic.

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@bekachen that's a great example of a community! Thank you for sharing! 

HHumphreys
Member

For me my favourite types of communities are those where I feel supported by others to learn and grow more. I'm in a lovely book club community which has encouraged me to broaden my reading horizons. It's a place where you can ask for recommendations and know you will get thoughtful responses and it's given me the confidence to meet new people with similar interests and to attend all kinds of virtual events. I genuinely believe that great communities can be totally transformational for people. I used to be a teacher and found so much inspiration and opportunities for professional development just by listening to others. As my own expertise grew I loved being able to make suggestions to others and to give back a bit to the same community that had taught me so much. 

 

In a professional capacity I hope to build a community that helps those within to grow too. It's not about trying to get people to use our products. We want to create a space where we can reward those that come to our website with something that will make genuine impact on their careers and their wellbeing as teachers. 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

Love that perspective @HHumphreys ! 

HHumphreys
Member

@bekachen book communities are brilliant aren't they? Being a part of the book club community I'm in has encoruaged me to step out of my reading comfort zone so much and actually out of my own personal comfort zone in general! 

aiem2
Member

Thanks for the interesting reading this blog is. In my personal opinion, both my personal and proffesional take on community are intertwined. I live by the premise "I'm happy to help". I think it's obvious that the notion that I should only care for my success, regardless to what happens to othe people is obsolete. I think what the world needs nowadays is to be able to connect, share our experiences and help each other, and that we'll bring us all closer to our personal goals and objectives. And whilst helping and sharing, we create Community, that can be devoted to different common interests. 

 

In the business I'm creating, that's part of the DNA of the company. Sales and financial success will be a consequence, but the core is to connect and create synergy in between our users, partners and the company itself. 

aiem2
Member

@danmoyle it's interesting what you say in the blog, about "When you think of community for your brand, think of it from at least two basic perspectives: Your business and your people. Maybe even flip that and think of your people first and your business second. "

 

I embarked into creating a new digital app for domestic tourism in my country, and ever since the start it has been focused on the Community aspect, more than the business one. So it's nice not to feel "too crazy" by doing this. 

 

I thinks it's crucial that the Community aspect is more taken in acount when starting developing new business. 

 

Thanks for your insights. 

aiem2
Member

@SamanthaLumang I love that notion that you mentioned of a Community being a support rather than a competition. I think is high time for understanding the value of diversity and how valuable it can be if we complement our skills, even with our alleged competitors, and that we could all benefit from that. Sharing and learning from each other is the way to go, I think. 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@aiem2 I'm curious to know about what you're doing for your country and domestic tourism! I love that effort. I'm a big fan of local advocates for tourism. Feel free to share a link with more information like a blog post here. 😊

aiem2
Member

@danmoyle it's been an interesting ride, hehehe. 

 

We've created Orbo Chile, which is a web app for users to get information of different actors of the "bon vivant industry" as we call it (Tourism, Gastronomy & Wines and Arts & Entertainment). Our idea is that our Users may find the information of said actors, see them on a map, see their profiles and the content they create in within the app. The idea is for chilean people and residents to be able to enjoy their city, state and country in order for them to "fall in love with Chile hand in hand with Orbo". 

 

The app's link is https://app.orbochile.com

 

It's in spanish though, so it'll be an interesting opportunity for you guys to practice Spanish. Our blog section https://app.orbochile.com/blogs and content section https://app.orbochile.com/contents are open for you to check it without registering. But if you want to see the full features of the app you'll have to register. 

 

Hope you like what we're creating!

CMorrisonWWTC
Member

@bekachen - I am a mod in a book related group on facebook so love reading about your bookish community. I am a daily reader and look forward to my book community daily. I find it interesting to compare my work community and my personal book community and how similar they are!

 
CMorrisonWWTC
Member

@aiem2 - I also think it is important to learn from each other and continue to grow and learn. 

NDempsey
Member

I think @SamanthaLumang's point is spot on. A safe space where people can learn from each other, that's a real community. 👏

NDempsey
Member

@Raffy What do you think the ratio should be for member-generated content to community manager content? 

Jnix284
Hall of Famer

Interesting point @aiem2 about learning from competitors - what do you think that looks like in a community setting?

SamanthaLumang
Participant | Diamond Partner
Participant | Diamond Partner

@Jnix284 @aiem2 Thanks for sharing similar sentiments about a safe community and putting our community first! @bekachen I've been hearing about BookTok and it does seem like a great community of readers. 🤓🥰

aiem2
Member

@Jnix284 I may out of my area of expertise here, but I've always thought that representatives of the different shareholders, locally or globaly, should have a space to connect or to meet in order to share experiences. Not only when you have to do a benchmark for your business is when you can learn from others. The pie is big enough for all of us, and even if we answer to the same segment, what will differentiate yourself is your value proposal, thus, you could benefit from sharing with your "competitors". 

 

I don't know if it's too crazy what I'm suggesting, but, it seems that we are more afraid of the competition than grateful of it. And thruth be told, I think that competitions is a huge motivation for you to be better and grow, genuinely connecting with the Community you serve. 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

@aiem2 I absolutely LOVE your perspective on competition here! The abundant mindset is such a beautiful place to be. That's part of why I love HubSpot Community so much. Many of us here work for solutions partners, so technically we're in competition. And yet so many of us work together, partner with each other, and just genuinely enjoy the community. There's hope, I believe! 

HHumphreys
Member

I definitely believe in sharing with your 'competitors' too @aiem2 . There's a space out there for everyone. I work in education and so many people would say that it's a saturated market but if we are all offering something slightly different that teachers can benefit from and are happy to use then I'd say that's a win! I was a member of many different education community groups when I was teaching and each one had a different reason for being and I gained huge amounts from all of them. 

Jnix284
Hall of Famer

@aiem2 I absolutely agree in learning from the competition, that they make you be better, stronger, etc. and also fully believe in the abundant mindset as @danmoyle mentioned (there isn't a finite pie), but I'm struggling to see how that fits into the community from a planning/development/management perspective.

 

For example, the HubSpot Community, there is overlap with customers who use Salesforce, especially with agencies, so there are good threads with discussions around integrations, etc. But that's not the case for HubSpot's other competitors and that's what I'm struggling to wrap my mind around, what's the practical application and how does it work, how is it managed, etc.

 

Another example would be the Harley Davidson community, would they start inviting Indian Motorcycles customers into the community?

 

 

Raffy
Top Contributor | Partner
Top Contributor | Partner

@NDempsey  I imagine majority of the content will be community generated. I would like to have 90+% be community generated where community managers just seeding, growing, and pruning conversations. 50% would be for starters or minimum.


Hansen
Participant

Community (to me) at its core means a sense of belonging. It's in our nature to need meaningful connection and support so we aren't going through this world alone. Pre-digital community era, that was achieved locally in your geographic community. Now, it takes place through shared interest communities. Isolation is a major global mental health concern and community leaders have an opportunity to bring humans back together in a meaningful way. 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

Such great points @rhansen. How do we turn that sense of belonging into an ethical tool for businesses? I don't want to exploit people. I do however want to foster community around my brand. As an example. Big question: What does that look like? 

 

Hansen
Participant

Great question @danmoyle! I started down a path of writing a long "how to" response then paused when I realized I should simplify. But I left the response
below anyways and my LinkedIn post I think articulates it even better and
in a way that can apply to all communities.

Simple response:
What would the impact on your brand and key business goals be if you made
the primary objective of your community to bring humans together in a
meaningful way?

Original LinkedIn response:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hansenhunt_communitybuilding-communityled-community-activity-70371277...

Over-complicated answer...

While I'll answer by viewing it through the lens of where we are today, I
do want to point out that we are operating in systems that do not support a
for-profit business running an altruistic and ethical community
(capitalism, corporations, shareholders, profits, the 1%). This will always
be a balancing act until we change the north star of our systems.

I think the way we can do it in a more ethical way today is by:

 

  1. Start with forming meaningful connections between members and scale
    when you can maintain that value. Do not lose sight of this.
  2. Executive and cross-functional buy-in and contribution to building
    the community and the "why" it's important separate from revenue.
  3. Empowering each employee who engages in the community to "do it
    because it's the right thing to do" when making decisions to support a
    community member and/or customer.
  4. Accountability and performance measurement aligned both with the
    company mission/values/culture AND the objectives of community members. Find that crossover. For example, track community members who work for a customer of yours getting a promotion. Good for the member, the customer, and your product/brand/community has just become more sticky and maybe even a hero for that individual resulting in priceless word-of-mouth marketing.

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

Thank you for sharing your heart and your insights @Hansen - I always enjoy riffing with you. 

 

Raffy
Top Contributor | Partner
Top Contributor | Partner

A business community is what businesses would be doing if they did not have to accumulate wealth, if they just have to grow/scale sustainably for the sake of spreading good that is their value proposition.

What do you think? 

danmoyle
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner
Most Valuable Member | Elite Partner

That's an interesting perspective @Raffy. I like the idea of a business not needing to measure profit so they make a community.

 

elissa_cotter
Member

Great article! I love the idea of focusing on people first. For me, a community has to provide value to its members. I want to join communities that are aligned with my interests and that enable me to learn from and engage with others. In a world where we are constantly overwhelmed with ads and marketing material, few people will want to join a community that is primarily business-focused. Providing (free) valuable content and platforms for members will automatically show the value of the company and its product. 

AlisonRJ
Member

For me, community means somewhere where ideally you can be yourself, support others and be comfortable asking for support back. Members should be able to take part as little or as often as they want, depending on the time they have available, and for as long as they feel they are getting the benefit from it that is right for them.

PriscillaMofo
Member

Very insightful article! Thank you

francasal
Contributor | Partner
Contributor | Partner

For me, a community is any form of communication that facilitates meeting, collaboration, debate, the transmission of knowledge, or simply the relationship between people who have a common interest, taste, or need.

Gamin
Contributor

My name is Gasser Amin and no matter who I'm or where from what is really matters is to whom I belong, this my message as part of the HubSpot community, Community is about more than just a transactional relationship. It's about creating a space where people can come together, share their passions, and support one another. In our community, we believe in fostering connections, empowering individuals, and helping each other grow. It's a place where you can find like-minded individuals who understand your journey and can offer valuable insights. By joining our community, you become part of a supportive network that celebrates your successes and helps you overcome challenges. We believe that together, we can achieve greatness and create a meaningful impact. Join us and experience the power of community firsthand.

CSherwood8
Member | Elite Partner
Member | Elite Partner

Loving this, yes community to me means a place everyone can come together to share a common goal/ feeling/ and feel like its a safe space 🙂 It is a feeling of being 'home'. My favourite community on a personal level is Digme, this is a gym in the UK but they are very good at making everyone feel connected there 🙂 I also love the HS community, because everyone wants to help everyone out and try and solve the roadblocks you are facing 🙂