# User/Owner IDs don't align

**URL:** <https://community.hubspot.com/t/user-owner-ids-dont-align/129078>\
**Category:** APIs & Integrations\
**Tags:** professional\
**Created:** [April 1, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.hubspot.com/t/user-owner-ids-dont-align/129078 "2025-04-01T22:29:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![JP98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/779978/32.png) [@JP98](https://community.hubspot.com/u/JP98)\
**Post date:** [April 1, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://community.hubspot.com/t/user-owner-ids-dont-align/129078/1 "2025-04-01T22:29:43Z")

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When we get a user from the POST /crm/v3/objects/users/search endpoint, it has an ID 1 of [ID 1 here]. When I GET /crm/v3/owners, it has an ID 2 of [ID 2 here] (makes sense that it’s different, one is a user and one is an owner), but the userId on the exact same owner/person is [ID 3 here]. Doesn’t match the ID 1 [ID 1 here] at all. How does this work???

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**Author:** ![Berangere](https://d10pqhm3lwygmk.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/community.hubspot.com/berangere/32/220784_2.png) [@Berangere](https://community.hubspot.com/u/Berangere)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 8:51am UTC](https://community.hubspot.com/t/user-owner-ids-dont-align/129078/2 "2025-04-02T08:51:25Z")

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Hi @JP98 and welcome, we are so glad to have you here! 🤗  
Thanks for asking the HubSpot Community!  
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1. Which endpoint did you use to have the ID 3, please?  
2. Which information are you trying to see?  
The more info, screenshots (without sensitive/confidential information), and details you can provide, the better the Community can assist.

I’d love to put you in touch with our Top Experts: Hi [@sylvain\_tirreau](https://community.hubspot.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/601366), [@zach\_threadint](https://community.hubspot.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/324811) and [@Bhupendra\_Kumar](https://community.hubspot.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/857649) do you have suggestions to help @JP98, please?  
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**Author:** ![JP98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/779978/32.png) [@JP98](https://community.hubspot.com/u/JP98)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 9:05am UTC](https://community.hubspot.com/t/user-owner-ids-dont-align/129078/3 "2025-04-02T09:05:48Z")

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The userId that is ID 3 is a property on the owner that comes in the same response as ID 2.

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**Author:** ![zach\_threadint](https://d10pqhm3lwygmk.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/community.hubspot.com/zach_threadint/32/46318_2.png) [@zach\_threadint](https://community.hubspot.com/u/zach_threadint)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://community.hubspot.com/t/user-owner-ids-dont-align/129078/4 "2025-04-02T21:59:33Z")

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Hi @JP98 👋

I agree, the concept of User ID / Owner ID / CRM Record ID can be confusing. Here’s how I understand it:

1. We’re working with 2 distinct HubSpot “Object Types” (albeit “special” Object Types that don’t always operate in the same way as the standard CRM Object Types):
  - Owner
  - User

2. Relevant to your described use case, a User “record” has the following ID properties:
  1. “hs\_object\_id” (also returned as “id” by the API, outside the “properties” object)
  2. “hubspot\_owner\_id”
  3. “hs\_internal\_user\_id”

To demonstrate the relationship between these IDs, you might like to consider the following HubSpot API responses, representing the same “person” who accesses the given HubSpot portal:

```lia-code-sample
// GET /crm/v3/owners
{
 "results": [
 {
 "id": "209582270", // matches "hubspot_owner_id" in subsequent example
 "email": "example@gmail.com",
 "type": "PERSON",
 "firstName": "Example",
 "lastName": "Owner",
 "userId": 9887783, // matches "hs_internal_user_id" in subsequent example
 "userIdIncludingInactive": 9887783,
 "createdAt": "2021-12-15T12:27:06.833Z",
 "updatedAt": "2022-10-14T04:26:29.590Z",
 "archived": false,
 "teams": [
 {
 "id": "140468592",
 "name": "Test Team 1",
 "primary": true
 }
 ]
 }
 ]
}

// GET /crm/v3/objects/users?properties=hubspot_owner_id,hs_internal_user_id
{
 "results": [
 {
 "id": "60177263045", // this is the User's CRM Record ID (i.e. "hs_object_id")
 "properties": {
 "hs_createdate": "2021-12-15T12:27:01.825Z",
 "hs_internal_user_id": "9887783", // matches "userId" in the previous example
 "hs_lastmodifieddate": "2024-07-16T04:51:26.719Z",
 "hs_object_id": "60177263045",
 "hubspot_owner_id": "209582270" // matches "id" in the previous example
 },
 "createdAt": "2021-12-15T12:27:01.825Z",
 "updatedAt": "2024-07-16T04:51:26.719Z",
 "archived": false
 }
 ]
}

```

I hope this proves helpful. Please let me know if you have any follow-up questions.